This past fall, our local-weekly newspaper posed this question: Should school continue to teach cursive writing? Why or why not? Fortunately, they published many responses, to which I found a certain amount of amusement. Here you go, but the comments in italics are my responses.
Yes! Because it is necessary! (… and examples for necessary are?)
The teaching of cursive handwriting and reading has been in school since Abraham Lincoln wrote on a coal shovel in a one-room log cabin school. It not only teaches young students how to write, but how to read handwriting. (Yes … and using slide rules and an abacus have a chance of returning to schools. At least we don’t have to bring back the Algebra problem of determining what time do you have to be at the train station to pick up two friends arriving on different trains that left at different times and traveled at different speeds over different distances … oops … that problem probably still exists!)
They should continue to teach it for the sole fact that someone will have to interpret old documents in the future. (Alright, interpreting hieroglyphics and ancient Hebrew still have a place, thus should be required for high school graduation.)
Yes because cursive writing is beneficial to learning and integrating communication between the two hemisphere. (Thank you Mr. Learning Theory & Cognitive Learning Expert because we now know that printing, typing, or keyboarding notes does not influence learning because of a lack of communication between cerebral hemispheres.)
Bare minimum, teach them how to sign their name for forms requiring signatures. My sixth-grader is clueless on that. (Although you are open to the idea, are you saying that printing is not acceptable signature on a formal document?)
Embed from Getty ImagesTime spent on teaching cursive could be used to educate children on other matters, such as grammar. (Say that it ain’t so!)
They (the students) will need to know it someday, and they will be smarter for it. (I don’t know when, but when it comes, the light bulb will serve as a reminder to thank schools for it.)
No, dumb them down some more. Then we will have total government and corporate control. (Thank you Sean Hannity enthusiast, and please, never attend a public forum on education …. now turn on the radio because it’s time Rush Limbaugh.)
Cursive is not yet obsolete, so we should keep teaching it. Perhaps we could eliminate Roman numerals instead. (How then will future generations understand the Super Bowl?)
A personal finance class should be mandatory for all high schoolers to graduate. (Thank you for your direct and insightful response to the question.)
It’s faster for note taking which helps your brain retain what you’ve heard. Which is good, because I can’t read a thing I’ve written!
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Elyse,
Now that’s funny! … but I’m disappointed that you didn’t comment on another aspect of my responses.
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That they were sarcastic or all one sided?
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Good … I still have people guessing.
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Oh gosh, I don’t know– “signature” is usually cursive;most forms have a place for signature and also “print name here” for clarification. But if we’re voting for either grammar education OR cursive writing–PLEASE could we upgrade grammar and spelling. I think if I hear “she had went”, or “he come down the street” one more time, I’ll go crazy. That, and “loose” for “lose”–good grief already.
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Ponder,
Well now .. cursive or grammar is an interesting question to ponder. 😉
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𝓃ơ𝓉
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Hey Jim,
This nomenclature is new to me. Hieroglyphics or what?
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Just some ‘special’ characters from my keyboard. Some refer to them as Alt commands. For example… http://www.alt-codes.net/
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I get it … another communication form!
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Sort of an alternative forum, eh?
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Cursive writing further declines with every generation and now, in the 21st century, it seems to be in freefall, Frank. I suppose it’s heading in the same direction as cave painting. The next time that you’re in New York City, you might want to visit the Morgan Library. They have on display letters hand written by major historical figures, like Abraham Lincoln and George Washington. Their penmanship was extraordinary.
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Lame,
The Morgan Library exhibit sounds very interesting. Just look at their website … WOW! … and some complete with doodles. I forgot cave painting … it (along with doodles) needs to be incorporated into the new education standards!
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I love beautiful cursive, it’s so visually appealing to read a hand written card or letter, email is just not as pretty.
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Chess,
That it is …. and some of the cursive fonts are beautiful and difficult to read.
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That algebraic problem with the trains can be solved by looking up train arrival times online.
As for cursive, I’m very much for it, even if I can barely read handwriting, including my own – because you can’t expect to always have a phone or a laptop handy.
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X,
Regarding the math problem, the online schedules is precisely my point. Regarding the no phone/laptop issue, I guess printing won’t work.
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It seems to me that the next big question will be whether to teach cursive ancient Hebrew. I find there are fewer and fewer people who can read it…
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Shimon,
You are on to something!
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I think it helps with hand eye coordination.
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Debra,
Hmmmm …. I hadn’t thought about that one.
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I have one child who was taught cursive and one that wasn’t. The younger one was frustrated that she hard a time reading letters her grandmother would send her. I think she has adapted now that she’s 17. But it does cause a divide in this in between generation. She feels dumb that she doesn’t have a signature like everyone else.
It’s weird that they don’t teach them. It doesn’t take very long. A few minutes a day? Hand outs? It’s odd.
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And yes, I’ve taught her.
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That a way, Mom!
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Audra.
Whoa! … and very interesting. I haven’t talked to anyone with your example, so I appreciate this! You also show that the transition time isn’t easy … then again, how many future grandmothers will be sending cursive letters. … just a thought. … more importantly, thanks for sharing.
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It’s an interesting example of how a change in curriculum, even in span of a few years, can impact a person.
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Yes … those in the transition period. On the other hand, much less so in those that follow. Therefore, with my warped sense of humor, nothing should change.
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I have lovely handwriting thanks to Miss Drozkiak (my 3rd and 4th grade teacher); my sons *had* lovely handwriting when they were taught it. Both have dumped it and print! My youngest has no signature and looks at me like I’m stupid when I tell him he looks like an idiot for not having a signature. Clash of the generations, I guess! I gave up on that one and still write them notes in cursive (on purpose, I’m a bitch like that) which they amazingly understand) Funny thing is, even if they were taught cursive, they were not taught the capital letters! The beginning of the dumbing down mentioned above by one of your readers….
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Dale,
Woo hoo .. and personal story .. thanks … love the “Clash of the Generations” title … perfect! And cheers to you for writing to them in cursive just to get them. 🙂
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Integrate cursive writing into a video game- a popular one. That’s all I got…
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Cayman,
Wow … way to tap into technology for an innovative approach!
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Yes, because it is important for us to retain some forms of communication that do not rely upon sitting behind a computer screen. It is a valuable learning and concentration tool. It is a valuable ‘human’ interaction tool, including sending ‘thank you’ notes, hand written letters and other forms of ‘written’ communications to those we love.
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Val,
So we can’t learn as well or as much without cursive? … and typed/printed notes are ineffective?
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Sometimes Frank, that personal touch is important. Getting a handwritten note somehow makes it nice, whether from a friend or a grandchild. I also believe strongly, we need to retain some of the old forms, learning to write cursive is one of them, focusing on style.
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Great points … so I’m proposing that in order to preserve old forms of communication while maintaining the personal touch, schools should teach Morse Code and each house is required by law to have a telegraph … plus cell phone manufactures should provide Morse Code apps (which exist) as a permanent feature.
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Very nice Frank.
🙂
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Hooray … support for my idea!!!!
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They just stopped cursive writing in the Florida curriculum. I was soooo disappointed that they didn’t put it to a popular vote first. Writing should flow, and as you said, it stimulates both sides of the brain. I guess I’ll be teaching my grandchildren at home.
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SK,
I didn’t realize that about Florida. Meanwhile, see Audra’s comment (UpChuckingWords).
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Yes, computers fail, and there may be a day when they completely fail. At the very least, kids should be taught to print, and spell correctly. From a personal perspective I enjoy writing letters. Cursive writing is beautiful, an art to some.
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Catherine,
The noncursive people are printing (one concern solved). In terms of preparing for computers to fail, I say teach students to use a hammer and chisel on rocks … after all, it was good enough for The Flintstones … and Fred is an icon. Then again, Aesop’s son had a different view from his dad. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UqtOM03M8co
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Ha ha!!!
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Dale … you must have enjoyed my rationale around the Flintstones and Aesop & Son.
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I did indeed!!!
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Ah…aFA…you on a feisty roll today and beating that drum so loud I can hear it all the way to here! My morning cuppa now held high in SALUDE’ position. Even with sloshes of hot stuff raining on the kitchen floor, head, hands and now creamed coffee soaking my pee-jays….will not deter me from….grinning so hard I think my face will break.
There! It just did….
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Raye,
A cheerful toast to you in those wet PJs for catching my sense of humor. Although the topic is worthy of discussion, the responses in the local paper just gave me so much material with which to work, thus I simply couldn’t resist that quirky side of my behavior. … Thanks for the smiles.
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As you know…Wild Thing…I think I love you! *snort*
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Because I know you like the original … https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5bKbtZLxMO0 … 🙂
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I’ve played this so many times my computer groans when I plug it in again for another go round. You know…couldn’t we Texas two-step to this, Frank?
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Have you seen the Sam Kinison version?
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No not yet. I have a feeling I’ll have to look it up now….
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Jut looked:
Well…that would wear out a person’s vocal chords in a hurry, no? Plus a few guitars and rubbish bins…..
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Much going on in that video!
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I recall being so excited about learning cursive that I taught myself how to write it the summer before it was taught in school. It made me feel grown up. And if students need some additional motivation… it’s much harder to read over someone’s shoulder if they’re writing in cursive! All my preadolescent notes about boys and secretive things were ALWAYS written cursive.
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Abtwixt,
I recall that (the grown-up feeling), but I wonder if the young still look at it that way.
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PS: Just thought of this … so without cursive, kids will never feel grown up!
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I’m sure kids will find something else to help them feel more grown up… still, I agree that it is a tragedy to see cursive go by the wayside!
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I contemplating a drive for Morse Code in schools and telegraphs in each home. Would you be on board for supporting this venture?
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Telegraphs, no – but I would love to learn Morse Code! I only ever got as far as S.O.S. Again, as we’ve been discussing the benefits in the thought exercise of cursive, I think teaching kids ANY code (a historical one is just cooler because it’s “real”) is a great and fun way to enhance cognitive development.
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I’m also considering a proposal to our condo association that each unit have a light (as those on naval ships) so residents can communicate with Morse Code.
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Back in the day, our first grade teacher would make us come to school an hour early and stay and hour late curving our a’s, e’s, and s’s, until our little fingers were raw to the bone – AND WE LIKED IT! (Dana Carvey – SNL)
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Tim,
Quote a philosopher at Dana Carvey is an impressive depth of knowledge.
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Why learn cursive? Why learn French? Why learn anything? I say dump the teaching of cursive and see what happens.
Some things in life are analog, and some digital. There are those who prefer the flow of things, and those who prefer disconnected bits and beeps. I myself am partial to a clock with a face.
I can write several alphabet styles (printer’s fonts) by hand, including Roman, italic gothic and Irish uncial. Did I mention that I ‘ve managed my own calligraphy studio and made good money at it? As with all craft of the human hand compared to that of a machine….there will always be those who value the individual touch of a human more, and who can tell the difference. At least I hope so.
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Cynthia,
Oh my … you surprised me with your approach. Love your analog/digital analogy. In terms of dumping cursive, I’m getting the impression that some states are doing so (which I didn’t know) … but maybe schools should be able to write in different fonts instead!
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I think it’s much quicker to write in cursive than the alternative, and everyone has a different style, which friends and family recognise when they receive an envelope through the post. I think it would be a great loss if they ever do away with teaching cursive writing. In fact it’s a ridiculous idea and a total cop out.
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I’m in the clinic waiting for my mother’s appointment, so I thought I’d buzz by on my phone. Well, that makes it sound like I’m using my phone for transportation, but you know what I mean!
I like kids learning cursive just because it’s faster than printing, and I think they’d find it helpful. But I think what would be even better is if they taught kids good keyboarding skills early on in elementary school. What we used to know as typing class. This is what they really need in this technology era. The two-finger method doesn’t cut it.
Loved reading your commentary to the various comments!
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Carrie,
What if students with two-finger keyboarding skills were expected to (thus taught) more efficient keyboard skills, yet those with the standard method were expected to use the two-finger approach. Wouldn’t that convince the masses about which method is better? 🙂
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I suppose it would!
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Well, Frank you have finally exposed yourself …er mabe a better term would be, come out…um. Let’s start again. Well, Frank I can see you definitely favor folks who have a valid argument for one side or another so here goes. I think we should require cursive since I hold stock in several companies who benefit from the use of pens, the correction of digital abnormalities due to excessive writing, (such abnormalities are not found in printing) and the manufacture of various writing instruments. Printing does not support the purchase of an outrageously expensive pen which leaks into the pocket of an equally expensive shirt. Only the promise of writing with a flourish supports this behavior. Thank you very much.
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John,
Your stock portfolio may be best reason I’ve heard to date for continuing to teach cursive writing. After all, it’s also part of your retirement, plus I’m sure you don’t want to be a burden on society.
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I would love to be a burden but unfortunately society can’t afford me.
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Therefore, keep teaching cursive with designated pens!
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Now you got it.
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I would be lost without cursive. It is a great show of art in your signature and I love looking at others penmanship.
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Laurie,
No question that it is an art form … and no question that it is important to our generation … but is that enough to keep it around?
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Trying to decipher a handwritten letter or old manuscript has never been a fun procedure – however, watching a hand write / scribble or calligraphy, I find fascinating. Of course this example is a little extreme but have a look at the following video http://youtu.be/eAPuH8fadjw Keyboards can’t do that! 😉
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Marina,
Cursive to the masses or not, I have no don’t that the calligraphy will survive …. after all, it’s art. Love watching the artist in the video used different pressures, speeds, and angles!
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We have been wondering if Sophia will be taught cursive next year in school, and it’s been our conversation as to how we feel about it. I see little reason beyond “that’s the way it’s always been” and that surely isn’t good enough. There are times I find I have difficulty writing a completely sentence in cursive. It feels odd and foreign after hours and hours on a keyboard. I have a hard time imagining young people ever using cursive! I laughed out loud at your response to the “Sean Hannity enthusiast!” Very clever, Frank!
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Debra,
Oh no … a person from the same generation as me going against the forces of “what is good enough for me should continue.” … after all, schools embrace that line. So how will Sophia write that letter to you with a personal touch? How will she handle the form that has Signature and Print Name in separate fields? How will she ever learn without her two brain hemispheres communicating from writing cursive notes?
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I think we should scrap the cursive and teach kids these days how to send a text with no numbers standing in for letters and all vowels present and accounted for.
Screw ancient hieroglyphics, we have modern day ones.
Although I am guilty of overusing LOL, ROTFL, and LMFAO. Oh, and YOLO but only to piss off my roomie 😛
Great post 🙂 had me LOLing all the way through 😛
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Kerri,
Welcome first-time commenter. Great point about modern-day hieroglyphics! Meanwhile, because you would scrap teaching cursive, does that mean you would be against a proposal that would require learning Morse Code?
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No ways!!! I have always thought everyone should know Morse Code!!
A) in case I am kidnapped by a pissed-off ex boyfriend I can signal for help discreetly by tapping on the inside of the trunk
B) We could start Morse slang if everyone knew Morse the way they know cursive. For instance a series of taps on the bar could mean “Another round and make it a double”
C) I could train my goldfish to speak to me by tapping on his glass fishbowl and teach HIM Morse and we could swop our views on the genius of Finding Nemo
D) Discreet and rude conversations about Mr Body Odour sitting beside you in the bus could be conducted with your best friend in complete privacy by tapping on each other’s knees…..
Life could be great with Morse Code.
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Finally … someone with a rational argument! Simply outstanding!!!!
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*flips hair casually*
I try, dahling
*flipped hair gets caught in eyes and she trips over untied sneaker laces*
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Flipping hair works … and even with the laughter following the stumble.
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Ha ha! Love it Kerri!
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People are writing less these days and typing more – even in lectures as typing is fater than writing. Keep teaching cursive? I don’t think it is necessary. What is necessary, though, is that children are still taught how to write letters and practise their penmanship.
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Colline,
Wait a minute … don’t teach cursive yet teach writing letters and practicing penmanship … contradictory?
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Oh no. One learns to write letters first and it is only a few years later that one learns to join the letters to form cursive letters ( in Canada this happens I. Grade 2). Many children struggle with learning cursive as they have yet to master the skill of writing print letters.
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Slap me silly as I was thinking letters (as in Dear Colline) instead of letters (as ABC).
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How funny! Been mulling over a post about this recently, but no reason when yours is so perfect.
Funny thing, some private schools and public ones are starting up cursive writing again for different reasons other than legibility. Research is showing that all those cursive writing exercises have benefits with improving not only hand eye coordination, fine motor control, but also has a soothing aspect from the flowing lines and repetition. In addition breathing moderates and become orderly/rhythmic and focus improves for the content lesson that immediately follows. Advocates are pointing to improved attitudes as goals are set (form of letter practiced), effort put forth in direction of a goal (letter form), and a positive result after a period of practice and “work/effort” raises self esteem.
We may find out in education that once again the baby was thrown out with the bathwater as with music and art sessions.
I struggled with cursive being 2 -21/2 years younger than others in the class and the fine motor control simply wasn’t there. I did enjoy making fancy elaborate embellishments in secondary school…and slanted it all backwards for a while. Cursive does give a chance for a kid to show creativity and individuality in a structured system…but teachers could easily determine who was writing the notes….
What is the lack of cursive is eventually shown why all the test scores are down? Round up those music teachers – every kid needs an excuse to sing loudly and get more oxygen in their system!
great post, Frank – always fun here
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Hear! Hear! PMoH – I totally agree with you.. the so-called “softer” subjects should indeed be brought back. They help us (well, them, as WE DID get them) be more well-rounded people!
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We are just beginning to understand how the brain functions, learns, and makes connections. New understanding is happening eery day to explain why “old” things worked in more ways than we knew and had benefits we never expected….
Not old things are bad…look at all the bloggers (insert giggles!)
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I have a slide rule … so when they become mainstream again, I’m ready … I only those developing apps had to do it on keypunch cards.
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Sllde rules! I so envied my older brother’s and all the “smart kids”…only math and science counted as smart back then….so you stand with that crowd, eh? (giggles)
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That or I hung around the smart kids.
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Yep… I’m one of the old ones… did actually take “typewriting” and, thanks to that, can type over 60 words per minute… no two-finger-tango happening here!
So interested in raising self-esteem, that there are no losers/winners; everyone gets a medal and mediocrity rules.
Ah shit… sorry… I’ve gone and let myself ramble…
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Hooray … a fellow typewriter-schooled graduate! … “everyone gets a medal and mediocrity rules” … a perfect description.
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Yes to the typewriter…. sadly true to the mediocrity…
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I wasn’t a big fan of the self-esteem group … but fun to yank their chain.
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Isn’t it interesting that adults, who can’t sit still in meetings and focus/pay attention for any length of time think the best way to educate kids is to stick them in seats in windowless rooms for endless hours….
(Another unpredicted research discover was how much preschoolers – (3-4 yrs) really enjoyed working on old typewriters. They loved the noise, seeing the striking key move as they hit/punched a letter, and then rolling out the paper and seeing the letter. Very physical response compared to a computer or tablet. Very much in line with creating print awareness, making connection between letter sound and shape – and then they were copying words from labels under pictures of animals and items…and running around showing what they “wrote”…of course they also wrote stories (which were translated into adult English orally so they could take them home for parents – after we scanned a copy)
As well as immediate recognition of cause and effect. (Hit the typewriter key and it produced a letter you can hold and carry around)
Child’s play is serious work.
….rambling is just a form of brainstorming and formulating solutions…
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A principal told me that a teacher’s behavior in a meeting is insight into their classroom. Nonetheless, when it comes to change, research is out the window because it becomes protecting the sacred cows.
Even if the department or can break away with something research based, the public will stand in the way, thus everything returns to normal.
Meanwhile … your typewriter ramblings are interesting.
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What concerns me and few outside the research think tanks realize is that many of the PIs and research leads do not have children, and have never set foot in a classroom for any length of time. (and carefully chosen cohorts do not count not do lab schools. A researcher really needs 4-5 years of 5 day a seek all day teaching in a “regular classroom like a regular teacher faces” before making recommendations for national standards and methods. Many just want to “do something different” in education…not necessarily what’s right for kids. Disturbed kids are lab rats for unfounded ideas….just a view from the inside…one reason I keep a low profile.
Oddly a veteran successful principal once told me a good teacher rarely sits down in the classroom – and those have very few behavior problems with students…and from experience, I tend to agree.
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Great points about research, thus one of the concerns I would have about the research you mentioned regarding cursive. In other words, has there been enough time to see an effect. Great point about teachers moving around …. an easy thing for teachers with an active classroom.
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I’m all for bringing back typing on a manual typewriter!
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I have a big, ancient Underwood office typewriter, as an “antique” in my house,….and when a small boy was visiting recently he asked if he could play with it. I showed him how to use it, and he said “wow!.. a keyboard and printer all in one!”
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That’s priceless. You may also want to see the one of the comments from PhilosopherMouseOfTheHedge (about typewriters).
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Hey Mouse,
Wait a minute … wait one minute for this reason … schools are not allowed to make research-based decisions regardless if it flies in the face of the public and pragmatism! … so your rationale is unfair. … On the other hand, I know they are interested in raising self esteem. I always said reward students for doing bad to make sure they felt good about doing bad.
Meanwhile, the effort in this post goes to the people who made the comments in the local paper .. after all, they simply gave me the matter with which to work. 😉
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Of course, the corrosion of cursive is a curse if it recuses curves!
(An attempt at wit)
_Resa
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Resa,
Well done!!!! 🙂
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😀 😀
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Such an interesting post dear Frank!…
As far as I am concerned it might have been useful years ago…
Going further, nowadays with the technological achievements I am not sure about the lengths of cursive writing beyond the classroom. Aquileana 😀
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Aquileana,
That’s the dilemma …. thinking it’s important versus its limited use. An interesting counterpoint would be aspect of research, then again, I question of that research has enough data points over time for validity.
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Great discussion. I like best the comments from Philo and Cynthia.
In dismissing cursive I feel we are dismissing an important element of art, as opposed to functionality. The capacity for abstract thought is mostly what sets humans ahead of other animals and the quality of abstract thought on paper is improved if the process is disciplined. Cursive requires such discipline, including an outline (at least mentally) and selection of appropriate syntax and words. Thus, a cursive missive becomes an artful tool of its author, with the added bonus of displaying the obvious pre-planning and though required. Tweets, on the other hand, are seldom worth saving.
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Jim,
I appreciate your point about cursive as an art form, which is a thought I hadn’t considered. Regarding the discipline and thoughts that goes along with cursive, would “serious” construction on a keyboard involve similar decision making?
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It’s a pertinent question, Frank. Clearly, it depends on the self-discipline of the writer. My point is that cursive encourages planning, adding this message by implication: “Look at the effort I expended in constructing this message, just for you. You are important to me.” The effort entails an onus even before the first ink hits the page. Typing on the other hand is much easier to edit on the fly, or not at all, and hence we see the less disciplined often fail to correct both spelling and syntax. Or so it seems to me.
When I write a formal note, I first do a draft outline, but when I type a letter I hardly ever do.
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Well stated … in fact so well, I had a sense that’s where you were going.
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Interesting Frank – both context and responses your post generated. I love cursive writing for it’s elegance and what it says about the writer. To me there is nothing like getting a handwritten note, it takes time, thought and care. Why print to address an envelop when you can write it instead. Technology has removed the art out of a lot of things, writing is one of them – sadly missed.
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Mary,
Glad you enjoyed this one. Seeing the comments in the local paper served as the stimulus for this post … especially when others write their opinions. Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this.
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